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chcsa1861  [Member]
6/17/2008 6:23:56 PM
I've heard a lot about how the M16/M16A1 made by mattel rumors got started because Mattel made the pistol grips and put their logo on it. Anyone have one of these? Anyone have pics? I'd love to see one.
PromptCritical  [Team Member]
6/17/2008 6:26:16 PM
HermanSnerd  [Team Member]
6/17/2008 6:29:55 PM
Urban legend.

Mattel did not make any M16 parts.

NAM  [Team Member]
6/17/2008 6:42:11 PM

Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:
Urban legend.

Mattel did not make any M16 parts.



Ditto. 100% Pure bullshit.
slt223  [Member]
6/17/2008 6:45:55 PM
They made a toy M16 about 40 years ago that looked like a cartoon version the M16. That's as close as they ever got, and that's how the rumor started I would guess.
Thatguy96  [Member]
6/17/2008 6:58:35 PM

Originally Posted By slt223:
They made a toy M16 about 40 years ago that looked like a cartoon version the M16. That's as close as they ever got, and that's how the rumor started I would guess.

The plastic components and perceptions of fragility also led to the connection with the toy company. It was helped along by that now infamous photoshop of their logo in an AR lower.
PALADIN-hgwt  [Member]
6/17/2008 6:59:23 PM

Originally Posted By chcsa1861:
I've heard a lot about how the M16/M16A1 made by mattel rumors got started because Mattel made the pistol grips and put their logo on it.


OK, how about sharing with us WHERE and WHAT you heard a lot about! "Heard a lot" implies you can provide sources. Please provide us one source where you heard this.

Paladin
Following2dp  [Member]
6/17/2008 8:07:10 PM

Originally Posted By PALADIN-hgwt:

Originally Posted By chcsa1861:
I've heard a lot about how the M16/M16A1 made by mattel rumors got started because Mattel made the pistol grips and put their logo on it.


OK, how about sharing with us WHERE and WHAT you heard a lot about! "Heard a lot" implies you can provide sources. Please provide us one source where you heard this.

Paladin


I HAVE PICS! well sorta... And Proof!... well sorta...
Just go down one article to read about the Mattel 16

Just what every kid wanted
comiccoverage.typepad.com/comic_coverage/classic_ads/index.html

Some of the other articles are worth seeing too, specifically the video of the Evel Knievel stunt bike
F4ENUT  [Team Member]
6/17/2008 8:37:01 PM
Have never seen any proof but do know that we (USAF) referred to the M-16 as a Mattel shooting shell rifle in 1969 at Danang RVN
Hal143  [Member]
6/17/2008 9:19:17 PM
comiccoverage.typepad.com/comic_coverage/classic_ads/index.html


Just like the one John Wayne busted against the tree in "The Green Berets"

Hal
hk45shooter  [Team Member]
6/17/2008 9:26:07 PM
A Vietnam vet I work with says he took his rifle by the barrel & swung it like a baseball bat into a tree, breaking the it, cause he was mad about the jamming issues. Anyway he said the HGs were marked with the Mattel logo on the inside.

The whole conversation started with my question of what he carried in Nam. Never once asked him if he carried a M16, he volunteered that info.

Take it how you want, I believe him, doesn't mean you have to cause you don't know him. He's a very intelligent person w/all his marbles still intact.
SSeric02  [Member]
6/17/2008 9:44:36 PM
Yeah, but over time recollections and rumors tend to blend.
NAM  [Team Member]
6/17/2008 9:53:55 PM

Originally Posted By hk45shooter:
Anyway he said the HGs were marked with the Mattel logo on the inside.


I would never call bullshit to a vet's face. But there have been many many people that have looked into this, and it's just not true.
CAR-AR-M16  [Team Member]
6/17/2008 10:03:43 PM

Originally Posted By hk45shooter:
A Vietnam vet I work with says he took his rifle by the barrel & swung it like a baseball bat into a tree, breaking the it, cause he was mad about the jamming issues. Anyway he said the HGs were marked with the Mattel logo on the inside.

The whole conversation started with my question of what he carried in Nam. Never once asked him if he carried a M16, he volunteered that info.

Take it how you want, I believe him, doesn't mean you have to cause you don't know him. He's a very intelligent person w/all his marbles still intact.


This same thing is mentioned in the Snopes Urban Legend listing for the "Mattel M16".

www.snopes.com/military/m16.asp
halfmoonclip  [Member]
6/17/2008 11:18:45 PM
An entirely rational/non-bullshitting gun savy VietNam era vet buddy of mine swears he saw a Mattel M-16 in any armsroom rack in the service. Hard to say if it was some armorers idea of a joke, or what.
Factor in some old-school cadre frustrated because the trapdoor Springfield was withdrawn from service, and there you are.
No Mattel parts in an M16, period end.
Moon
DocMike  [Team Member]
6/17/2008 11:32:01 PM
Just keep telling yourself "It's not real...it's Photoshop, It's not real...it's Photoshop, It's not real...it's Photoshop"


Sorry, I couldn't help posting this infamous photo.

Doc
omega62  [Life Member]
6/18/2008 12:10:57 AM


That's me holding one of these in my avatar.

Just kidding!
steelwarrior26  [Member]
6/18/2008 1:32:06 AM
I believe that marx toys also had a toy M16..I had the marx M14..my dad brought me up right...Tim
hk45shooter  [Team Member]
6/18/2008 9:40:21 AM

Originally Posted By CAR-AR-M16:

Originally Posted By hk45shooter:
A Vietnam vet I work with says he took his rifle by the barrel & swung it like a baseball bat into a tree, breaking the it, cause he was mad about the jamming issues. Anyway he said the HGs were marked with the Mattel logo on the inside.

The whole conversation started with my question of what he carried in Nam. Never once asked him if he carried a M16, he volunteered that info.

Take it how you want, I believe him, doesn't mean you have to cause you don't know him. He's a very intelligent person w/all his marbles still intact.


This same thing is mentioned in the Snopes Urban Legend listing for the "Mattel M16".

www.snopes.com/military/m16.asp


Thank you CAR-AR-M16 for posting that link. Pretty much sums up what my Nam Vet co-worker told me was true & that yes, some M16 parts were made by Mattel at one time.
CAR-AR-M16  [Team Member]
6/18/2008 10:12:37 AM

Originally Posted By hk45shooter:

Originally Posted By CAR-AR-M16:

Originally Posted By hk45shooter:
A Vietnam vet I work with says he took his rifle by the barrel & swung it like a baseball bat into a tree, breaking the it, cause he was mad about the jamming issues. Anyway he said the HGs were marked with the Mattel logo on the inside.

The whole conversation started with my question of what he carried in Nam. Never once asked him if he carried a M16, he volunteered that info.

Take it how you want, I believe him, doesn't mean you have to cause you don't know him. He's a very intelligent person w/all his marbles still intact.


This same thing is mentioned in the Snopes Urban Legend listing for the "Mattel M16".

www.snopes.com/military/m16.asp


Thank you CAR-AR-M16 for posting that link. Pretty much sums up what my Nam Vet co-worker told me was true & that yes, some M16 parts were made by Mattel at one time.


You need to go back and read the whole article. It said that the rumor is FALSE, not true. Nowhere in the article does it say that "some M16 parts were made by Mattel at one time". Mattel mad a TOY M16 and nothing else.
Ekie  [Team Member]
6/18/2008 10:57:54 AM
Here is the deal.

Mattel through a contract with Fiberlite developed FM8130 (glass fiber filled) for use in chopper blades in the then developmental AH-56 program. At the time Colt was still using Fiberlite FM926 (cotton fiber filled). Fiberlite made Colt aware of FM8130 even though their NDS with Mattel meant they were not supposed to talk about. Due to the incredible strength of FM8130 Colt went direct to Mattel and awarded them a contract for handguards after getting approval from RIA for the material change (RTA 508-51 18 March 1965).

Later Col. Yount of the TCC would get field complaints from the 101st that the buttstock on their XM16E1 rifles were not up to the task of checking for soft spots on the armor of their M551’s. Again Colt requested a material change (RTA DCRB-DH-0018-24 20 April 1967), Mattel was given another contract.

Mattel’s FM8130 plant was destroyed during the April 68 riots and all records were lost. Only reason I know about it is that a Hasbro executive I met at the Hilton (he sells chem. light chargers and grid squares to Rock Island) told me about it, he use to work for Mattel.

I really doubt your friend could have busted the guards on a tree and seen the “MADE BY MATTEL” logo, that FM8130 is super strong stuff.

Thatguy96  [Member]
6/18/2008 11:04:27 AM

Originally Posted By Ekie:
Here is the deal.

Mattel through a contract with Fiberlite developed FM8130 (glass fiber filled) for use in chopper blades in the then developmental AH-56 program. At the time Colt was still using Fiberlite FM926 (cotton fiber filled). Fiberlite made Colt aware of FM8130 even though their NDS with Mattel meant they were not supposed to talk about. Due to the incredible strength of FM8130 Colt went direct to Mattel and awarded them a contract for handguards after getting approval from RIA for the material change (RTA 508-51 18 March 1965).

Later Col. Yount of the TCC would get field complaints from the 101st that the buttstock on their XM16E1 rifles were not up to the task of checking for soft spots on the armor of their M551’s. Again Colt requested a material change (RTA DCRB-DH-0018-24 20 April 1967), Mattel was given another contract.

Mattel’s FM8130 plant was destroyed during the April 68 riots and all records were lost. Only reason I know about it is that a Hasbro executive I met at the Hilton (he sells chem. light chargers and grid squares to Rock Island) told me about it, he use to work for Mattel.

I really doubt your friend could have busted the guards on a tree and seen the “MADE BY MATTEL” logo, that FM8130 is super strong stuff.


EDIT: Yeah, took it a bit too seriously hehe.
Aimless  [Site Staff]
6/18/2008 11:16:24 AM
Er
MACD  [Team Member]
6/18/2008 1:57:03 PM

Originally Posted By Ekie:
Here is the deal.

Mattel through a contract with Fiberlite developed FM8130 (glass fiber filled) for use in chopper blades in the then developmental AH-56 program. At the time Colt was still using Fiberlite FM926 (cotton fiber filled). Fiberlite made Colt aware of FM8130 even though their NDS with Mattel meant they were not supposed to talk about. Due to the incredible strength of FM8130 Colt went direct to Mattel and awarded them a contract for handguards after getting approval from RIA for the material change (RTA 508-51 18 March 1965).

Later Col. Yount of the TCC would get field complaints from the 101st that the buttstock on their XM16E1 rifles were not up to the task of checking for soft spots on the armor of their M551’s. Again Colt requested a material change (RTA DCRB-DH-0018-24 20 April 1967), Mattel was given another contract.

Mattel’s FM8130 plant was destroyed during the April 68 riots and all records were lost. Only reason I know about it is that a Hasbro executive I met at the Hilton (he sells chem. light chargers and grid squares to Rock Island) told me about it, he use to work for Mattel.

I really doubt your friend could have busted the guards on a tree and seen the “MADE BY MATTEL” logo, that FM8130 is super strong stuff.





I'm really tempted to engrave a Mattel logo on an A1 clone
Thatguy96  [Member]
6/18/2008 2:02:02 PM

Originally Posted By Aimless:
Er

Heh, yeah, I missed the part about the chem lighter chargers and boxes of grid squares.
Lon_Moer  [Team Member]
6/18/2008 5:16:53 PM

Originally Posted By steelwarrior26:
I believe that marx toys also had a toy M16..I had the marx M14..my dad brought me up right...Tim

Yes, I had the Marx version, because I didn't like the Mattel's 'fat magazine'. Carried that thing with me everywhere, in the car, in the grocery store, ect. (nowdays a SWAT team would respond)
Wish I still had it. My Dad busted it over my ass for smarting off , but I could put the pieces back together now. I do still have my old Marx 1911, with moving slide.
dewatters  [Member]
6/19/2008 12:42:45 PM

Originally Posted By DocMike:
Just keep telling yourself "It's not real...it's Photoshop, It's not real...it's Photoshop, It's not real...it's Photoshop"
i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/M16mattelM16.jpg

Sorry, I couldn't help posting this infamous photo.


The same fellow made up additional Photoshop pics with different corporate logos on the same rifle.

uxb  [Team Member]
6/19/2008 1:01:52 PM

Originally Posted By dewatters:
The same fellow made up additional Photoshop pics with different corporate logos on the same rifle.



Isn't that supposed to be "SAFE, REGULAR, EXTRA-CRISPY"?
TexSquirrel  [Member]
6/19/2008 2:39:45 PM

Originally Posted By uxb:
Isn't that supposed to be "SAFE, REGULAR, EXTRA-CRISPY"?

No, "RAW, THAW, FRY!"
DM1975  [Member]
6/19/2008 3:48:59 PM

Originally Posted By Ekie:
Here is the deal.

Mattel through a contract with Fiberlite developed FM8130 (glass fiber filled) for use in chopper blades in the then developmental AH-56 program. At the time Colt was still using Fiberlite FM926 (cotton fiber filled). Fiberlite made Colt aware of FM8130 even though their NDS with Mattel meant they were not supposed to talk about. Due to the incredible strength of FM8130 Colt went direct to Mattel and awarded them a contract for handguards after getting approval from RIA for the material change (RTA 508-51 18 March 1965).

Later Col. Yount of the TCC would get field complaints from the 101st that the buttstock on their XM16E1 rifles were not up to the task of checking for soft spots on the armor of their M551’s. Again Colt requested a material change (RTA DCRB-DH-0018-24 20 April 1967), Mattel was given another contract.

Mattel’s FM8130 plant was destroyed during the April 68 riots and all records were lost. Only reason I know about it is that a Hasbro executive I met at the Hilton (he sells chem. light chargers and grid squares to Rock Island) told me about it, he use to work for Mattel.

I really doubt your friend could have busted the guards on a tree and seen the “MADE BY MATTEL” logo, that FM8130 is super strong stuff.



You had me untill the soft spots in the armor
Dawg180  [Member]
6/19/2008 4:18:24 PM

Originally Posted By Ekie:
Here is the deal.

Mattel through a contract with Fiberlite developed FM8130 (glass fiber filled) for use in chopper blades in the then developmental AH-56 program. At the time Colt was still using Fiberlite FM926 (cotton fiber filled). Fiberlite made Colt aware of FM8130 even though their NDS with Mattel meant they were not supposed to talk about. Due to the incredible strength of FM8130 Colt went direct to Mattel and awarded them a contract for handguards after getting approval from RIA for the material change (RTA 508-51 18 March 1965).

Later Col. Yount of the TCC would get field complaints from the 101st that the buttstock on their XM16E1 rifles were not up to the task of checking for soft spots on the armor of their M551’s. Again Colt requested a material change (RTA DCRB-DH-0018-24 20 April 1967), Mattel was given another contract.

Mattel’s FM8130 plant was destroyed during the April 68 riots and all records were lost. Only reason I know about it is that a Hasbro executive I met at the Hilton (he sells chem. light chargers and grid squares to Rock Island) told me about it, he use to work for Mattel.

I really doubt your friend could have busted the guards on a tree and seen the “MADE BY MATTEL” logo, that FM8130 is super strong stuff.



LOL, leave it to Ekie of all people to make a post liek that...usuaully he is so factual and businesslike it did actually fool me up to the 551 armor part!
Melvin  [Member]
6/19/2008 5:54:42 PM
I remember I had a toy M16 when I was a kid, It wasent the mattel pictured. this was the mid to late 70s. mine was green and a pretty good detailed smaller scale m16. it was semi only wiith no moving parts but the trigger. it made a pop with each pull of the trigger almost sounded like an airsoft. havent heard of the marx toy. wish i knew who made mine. id love to see some old toy rifle pics.
BadKarma555  [Member]
6/19/2008 6:29:21 PM

Originally Posted By Hal143:
comiccoverage.typepad.com/comic_coverage/classic_ads/index.html


Just like the one John Wayne busted against the tree in "The Green Berets"

Hal


Exactly what I was thinking.
bk
BattleRife  [Member]
6/19/2008 9:42:31 PM
About a month ago I met a young guy who was recently excused from Canadian Military service. At basic training he (and his whole class) was told by a weapons instructor that the pistol grip on the C7 is made by Mattel.

I guess it's not hard to see why stupid rumours don't die.
coctailer  [Team Member]
6/19/2008 9:52:28 PM

Originally Posted By Ekie:
Here is the deal.

Mattel through a contract with Fiberlite developed FM8130 (glass fiber filled) for use in chopper blades in the then developmental AH-56 program. At the time Colt was still using Fiberlite FM926 (cotton fiber filled). Fiberlite made Colt aware of FM8130 even though their NDS with Mattel meant they were not supposed to talk about. Due to the incredible strength of FM8130 Colt went direct to Mattel and awarded them a contract for handguards after getting approval from RIA for the material change (RTA 508-51 18 March 1965).

Later Col. Yount of the TCC would get field complaints from the 101st that the buttstock on their XM16E1 rifles were not up to the task of checking for soft spots on the armor of their M551’s. Again Colt requested a material change (RTA DCRB-DH-0018-24 20 April 1967), Mattel was given another contract.

Mattel’s FM8130 plant was destroyed during the April 68 riots and all records were lost. Only reason I know about it is that a Hasbro executive I met at the Hilton (he sells chem. light chargers and grid squares to Rock Island) told me about it, he use to work for Mattel.

I really doubt your friend could have busted the guards on a tree and seen the “MADE BY MATTEL” logo, that FM8130 is super strong stuff.



9/10
Russ4777  [Team Member]
6/19/2008 10:20:28 PM
Hmmmmm. I always thought the Mattel Corp was in City of Industry, not El Segundo!!!
omega62  [Life Member]
6/19/2008 10:33:35 PM

Originally Posted By Russ4777:
Hmmmmm. I always thought the Mattel Corp was in City of Industry, not El Segundo!!!


The Mattel "firearms division" is in El Segundo. You're thinking of the toy company.

Just kidding!
halfmoonclip  [Member]
6/29/2008 12:57:28 AM
Ekie, you are a real ballswatter. LOL!
Moon
VAAR  [Team Member]
6/29/2008 1:18:30 AM

Originally Posted By Ekie:
Here is the deal.

Mattel through a contract with Fiberlite developed FM8130 (glass fiber filled) for use in chopper blades in the then developmental AH-56 program. At the time Colt was still using Fiberlite FM926 (cotton fiber filled). Fiberlite made Colt aware of FM8130 even though their NDS with Mattel meant they were not supposed to talk about. Due to the incredible strength of FM8130 Colt went direct to Mattel and awarded them a contract for handguards after getting approval from RIA for the material change (RTA 508-51 18 March 1965).

Later Col. Yount of the TCC would get field complaints from the 101st that the buttstock on their XM16E1 rifles were not up to the task of checking for soft spots on the armor of their M551’s. Again Colt requested a material change (RTA DCRB-DH-0018-24 20 April 1967), Mattel was given another contract.

Mattel’s FM8130 plant was destroyed during the April 68 riots and all records were lost. Only reason I know about it is that a Hasbro executive I met at the Hilton (he sells chem. light chargers and grid squares to Rock Island) told me about it, he use to work for Mattel.

I really doubt your friend could have busted the guards on a tree and seen the “MADE BY MATTEL” logo, that FM8130 is super strong stuff.



I just read this again and just noticed this...must have missed it the first time.
chris65  [Member]
6/29/2008 11:02:16 AM

Originally Posted By uxb:

Isn't that supposed to be "SAFE, REGULAR, EXTRA-CRISPY"?


CRISPY it is. Any sides with that?...