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hondacr21  [Member]
12/13/2010 12:38:51 PM
Well it about time to get a barrel ordered here in the next week or two, I am wanting a 20-22" threaded barrel and I am looking at Satern and CSS, cant really decide on which to go with. The CSS is alittle cheaper and comes with gas block, and the Satern some with just the bolt, and is just under $100 more, I heard alot of good things about Satern and there accuracy, but there customer service needs alittle work. And the CSS using the LW barrel I have heard some good reports with them as well. Either way what do you guys think, I would like to keep the barrel price under $600 The gun will be for paper punching and some varmint shooting, nothing competition wise.
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JFA  [Member]
12/13/2010 1:14:55 PM
Both of those are excellent barrels. About all I can is you'll have a long wait getting the Satern. There are differences in the barrels. One the stainless steel types are different and CSS is button rifled while the Sater is cut rifling I believe with 5 R rifling.
hondacr21  [Member]
12/13/2010 1:22:26 PM
I was scared of the Satern wait but they are in stock at Midway for now, I heard the SS that CSS uses is really hard and that the barrels are a breeze to clean, I also seen that on CSS site that they will now chamber all ammo which I will be shooting factory ammo. I dont know is the Satern barrels had this problem I assume not because CSS has a tight chamber. I have heard that cut rifling is better but I am sure that is a matter of opinion.
GrantMan  [Member]
12/13/2010 1:52:42 PM
The Satern is the top of the line as far as Grendel Barrels.

I got a 18" CSS barrel on my Grendel that shoots great. For my uses of informal target shooting and varmints the CSS works great. I am getting around .5 MOA using 123 Amax handloads.
Muttt  [Member]
12/13/2010 2:30:21 PM
I've read alot about people having trouble shooting the Grendel stamped ammo in thier CSS rifles. The CSS rifles aren't using the same specs as a grendel chamber. Saturn is about the top of the line for a Grendel barrel right now. If you want to save about three hundred bucks, by a Liberty button rifled barrel from either Saturn or War Dog Outfitters. I've used the LIberty barrel and it is an exceptional barrel for around 310 bucks. If you are going to shoot grendel, then you should buy a barrel that is chambered for the Grendel. AA, Saturn, Liberty and a couple others are Grendel chambers. CSS and Les baer are not Grendel chambers. Thier dimiensions are slightly different can and has been found to have issues with some grendel ammo. The same ammo that people have been having trouble shooting in thier CSS seems to cycle without a problem if used in a Grendel chamber. Just a word of advise. There is also no reason to spend 600 for a barrel if you are just punching paper and maybe hunting, when something comparable is available for just over 310 dollars. Spend the money you save on ammo.

You are correct, a cut rifled barrel is a much better barrel than a button rifled barrel. But, the average shooter wouldn't really notice the difference. Most shooters rifle can shoot better than the shooter is capable ...... if that makes sense.

But, if you are determined to spend the 600 or more for a barrel and it is between Saturn or CSS ..... then by all means, go with Saturn.

Mutt
JFA  [Member]
12/13/2010 3:28:02 PM
First off CSS are top of the line barrels also. Second don't listen to the BS that CSS didn't use the same chamber as AA did on their Grendel. AA has changed their chamber from the original chamber....two times I've heard. The CSS barrels now chamber everything, meaning the over sized Hornady ammo.

CSS barrels do clean out easy, I can attest to that. They also shoot extremely well. The Satern barrel is a damn good barrel too.

One more option you may look into is that Sabre makea a preimium heavy fluted stainless barrel for the Grendel too. It's not to be confused with their standard Grendel barrel, which I believe has a chrome bore. The preimium barrel doesn't have a chrome bore.
Muttt  [Member]
12/13/2010 6:14:29 PM
Originally Posted By JFA:
First off CSS are top of the line barrels also. Second don't listen to the BS that CSS didn't use the same chamber as AA did on their Grendel. AA has changed their chamber from the original chamber....two times I've heard. The CSS barrels now chamber everything, meaning the over sized Hornady ammo.

CSS barrels do clean out easy, I can attest to that. They also shoot extremely well. The Satern barrel is a damn good barrel too.

One more option you may look into is that Sabre makea a preimium heavy fluted stainless barrel for the Grendel too. It's not to be confused with their standard Grendel barrel, which I believe has a chrome bore. The preimium barrel doesn't have a chrome bore.


The Grendel chamber has always been the same size. The idea of the Grendel was a design by Arne and Alexander. Alexander took the casing even further to eventually liscense it as the Grendel and it had specific chamber dimensions. Those dimensions have never changed. It has always been and always will be the same size. The grendel chamber has always been different than the CSS barrel you can get from Arne. If anyone has changed anything, it's was CSS changing thier barrel to be closer to what the grendel specification is. The Grendel specification is what hornady and lapua used to make thier current production brass. They didn't use a CSS measurement. The first CSS chambers originally didn't work with the grendel ammo which is sized for the grendel chamber. I don't know where JFA gets his info, but this topic has been discussed to death over on the 6.5 grendel forum (which I hope comes back up soon). The topic was even addressed at one point by Bill Alexander himself. So, unless he told you "what you heard", then, I would only consider it hearsay.

The grendel chamber has never changed, that why it's always a better idea to get the barrel that's been chambered with a grendel chamber. that ensures that grendel ammo will fit into your rifle. Otherwise, you'll end up like many others with a CSS barrel complaining that your grendel ammo doesn't fit into thier tighter CSS chambers. Even though the same grendel ammo fits in all grendel chambers.

CSS and Les Baer are not chambered with a grendel chamber. That's why they aren't called grendel rifles. The chamber deminsions are different than the grendel chamber dimensions which is why people have problems feeding grendel ammo. You don't have to have an AA rifle to have a Grendel chamber. But, if you are building a Grendel rifle, then it would be rediculous not to use the proper chamber. My rifle isn't an AA rifle, but it does have a Grendel chamber.

Mutt
hondacr21  [Member]
12/13/2010 6:26:33 PM
Well looks like I might be leaning towards Satern then just for future possible issues with feeding and what not using a none Grendel chambered rifle, if I were reloading myself I wouldnt have an issue with the other 6.5 variants like CSS and Les Baer due to the fact I can make needed adjustments when reloading. Before I jump the gun other than Satern themselves and Midway does anyone else carry the Satern barrel?
Rcd567  [Team Member]
12/13/2010 7:31:30 PM
AlexanderArms was running a special on some of it's Satern barrels earlier this month. Best check with them. I saved close to $140.
Regular price was 660.
Sale price is 520.
They had mine in stock (18").
hondacr21  [Member]
12/13/2010 7:45:42 PM
Originally Posted By Rcd567:
AlexanderArms was running a special on some of it's Satern barrels earlier this month. Best check with them. I saved close to $140.
Regular price was 660.
Sale price is 520.
They had mine in stock (18").


How ya like your Satern barrel what kinda accuracy you getting? I went to there sight and they still have the 18" for 520$ which is an awesome deal. Kinda wanting a 20" but might consider 18"
hondacr21  [Member]
12/13/2010 10:22:24 PM
It dont state whether or not the barrel ext. has rifle or M4 feed ramps on the Satern barrel from Midway, I assume they have M4 as most seem to have. My receiver I am using has M4 ramps so I might give Midway a call to see it they know.
Dr69er  [Member]
12/13/2010 11:06:58 PM
Originally Posted By hondacr21:
It dont state whether or not the barrel ext. has rifle or M4 feed ramps on the Satern barrel from Midway, I assume they have M4 as most seem to have. My receiver I am using has M4 ramps so I might give Midway a call to see it they know.


Do yourself a favor,save lots-o-money,super quality,accuracy and customer service...call Carl @ BHW, they will be making our new 6.5mm P.C.C. wildcat barrels and they will also be doing a group buy w/ the 6X45 barrels as well...They also make the 264 LBC/Grendel barrels w/ M4 barrel extentions...

Tell them Vic and Paul from Alabama sent you...

Good Luck.


http://www.blackholeweaponry.com/store/index.php?cPath=23
2minkey  [Member]
12/13/2010 11:07:33 PM
Originally Posted By Rcd567:
AlexanderArms was running a special on some of it's Satern barrels earlier this month. Best check with them. I saved close to $140.
Regular price was 660.
Sale price is 520.
They had mine in stock (18").


golly, i had no idea i was getting a sale price. i got the same barrel. aren't they pretty? i just got - today - my vltor mur upper receiver and a few other parts... only need a gas block at this point... can't wait to shoot it.
JFA  [Member]
12/13/2010 11:28:08 PM
Originally Posted By Muttt:
Originally Posted By JFA:
First off CSS are top of the line barrels also. Second don't listen to the BS that CSS didn't use the same chamber as AA did on their Grendel. AA has changed their chamber from the original chamber....two times I've heard. The CSS barrels now chamber everything, meaning the over sized Hornady ammo.

CSS barrels do clean out easy, I can attest to that. They also shoot extremely well. The Satern barrel is a damn good barrel too.

One more option you may look into is that Sabre makea a preimium heavy fluted stainless barrel for the Grendel too. It's not to be confused with their standard Grendel barrel, which I believe has a chrome bore. The preimium barrel doesn't have a chrome bore.


The Grendel chamber has always been the same size. The idea of the Grendel was a design by Arne and Alexander. Alexander took the casing even further to eventually liscense it as the Grendel and it had specific chamber dimensions. Those dimensions have never changed. It has always been and always will be the same size. The grendel chamber has always been different than the CSS barrel you can get from Arne. If anyone has changed anything, it's was CSS changing thier barrel to be closer to what the grendel specification is. The Grendel specification is what hornady and lapua used to make thier current production brass. They didn't use a CSS measurement. The first CSS chambers originally didn't work with the grendel ammo which is sized for the grendel chamber. I don't know where JFA gets his info, but this topic has been discussed to death over on the 6.5 grendel forum (which I hope comes back up soon). The topic was even addressed at one point by Bill Alexander himself. So, unless he told you "what you heard", then, I would only consider it hearsay.

The grendel chamber has never changed, that why it's always a better idea to get the barrel that's been chambered with a grendel chamber. that ensures that grendel ammo will fit into your rifle. Otherwise, you'll end up like many others with a CSS barrel complaining that your grendel ammo doesn't fit into thier tighter CSS chambers. Even though the same grendel ammo fits in all grendel chambers.

CSS and Les Baer are not chambered with a grendel chamber. That's why they aren't called grendel rifles. The chamber deminsions are different than the grendel chamber dimensions which is why people have problems feeding grendel ammo. You don't have to have an AA rifle to have a Grendel chamber. But, if you are building a Grendel rifle, then it would be rediculous not to use the proper chamber. My rifle isn't an AA rifle, but it does have a Grendel chamber.

Mutt



Mutt,

You don't know what you are talking about. AA changed the chamber dimensions at least 2 times. In the beginning the CSS chamber and AA chamber were one is the same except the CSS chamber could be had with either a .295 or .300 neck. The tighter .295 neck had nothing to do with the Hornady ammo not fitting. The ammo was made to the larger dimension that Alexander changed his chambers too. I have the reamer prints with Bill Alexanders name on them for proof. I can legally post them, but haven't so far as I don't want to crush Alexander Arms and finally call their hand and show the "real" truth. A couple of other posters on here also have the prints.

Moderators are welcome to pm to see a copy of the print.

For the last time. The CSS barrel (which are Lothar Walther) and the Satern barrel are excellent barrels and both of them chamber "all" ammo. CSS got the changed dimensions and now have the reamer to cut the exact same chamber as AA is using. Confusing? Yes because as I've stated at the beginning of this post in the beginning the chambers were the same except for CSS's chocie of neck diameters. Bill Alexander changed the chamber at least twice to trip up those companies making clones. Mutt has not been in the AA loop all that long and I wouldn't really research very hard what untruths he is posting. Like I said the moderators are welcomed to see the print of a changed chamber. by Bill Alexander.

Edited to say: Mutt and others, the Les Baer 264 chamber is 100 percent an Alexander Arms chamber at the time of the agreement he had to make the 6.5 Grendel...WITH a change to the forcing cone making it a singe degree taper instead of a compound one and it chambers all ammo including the Hornaday.. Mutt that has already been talked about here and on other forums.
hondacr21  [Member]
12/13/2010 11:50:36 PM
Anyone know off the top of there heads about how much MOA is needed to get to 1K?
Muttt  [Member]
12/14/2010 1:56:59 AM
Copied from the Grendel FAQ:

Answer - When shooting at 1000 yards, you need to be sure your scope has sufficient elevation adjustment to correct for bullet drop. If you do not have a base with elevation built in, you need a scope with a minimum of 90 minutes of elevation (+/- 45 minutes). If you incorporate a 20 moa base, you can use a scope with a minimum of 50 minutes of elevation (+/- 25 minutes) although a scope with 75 minutes of elevation (+/- 37.5 minutes) will keep you out of the edges of the elevation adjustment range.


As far as the CSS barrels. I never said they don't make one hell of a good barrel. They make great barrels. They just don't make Grendel barrels. Alexander change the design that he and Arne had started with to the current design. That's when it finally became what is known as the Grendel.

Good plan, if your building a Grendel then use a grendel chambered barrel. That's just good common sense. There are some other really good wildcat rounds out there that perform just as good. But, once again, they are wildcats. So, if you don't reload you're out of luck.

Your gonna have a blast with the Grendel. I like it so much better than my 5.56 AR that I barely every shoot it anymore. The only reason I don't sell the 5.56 is the simple fact that ammo will be easy to find it the SH@T every hits the fan. You can't go wrong having a .308 and a 5.56 in your arsenal. But, that Grendel is such a step up in performance that you just can't really beat it and it fits the bill perfectly between the .308 and the 5.56.

It appears that JFA enjoys arguing with me more than providing the OP with good reliable technical information. It also appears that JFA may also be "OLD JOE" using a troll account. He has used other names on this site and the 6.5 Grendel site and has been shut down multiple times on both sites by starting trouble and picking fights. Also posting about information he claims to have and blueprints and the like ..... but without every showing the so called "proof" to anyone on any of the forums.

What is comes down to is this. Shoot Grendel ammo in a Grendel chamber. Just as you would only shoot 7mm Remington Magnum ammo in a 7mm Remington Magnum chamber. Common sense.

Mutt
Curlymaple42  [Member]
12/14/2010 7:27:10 AM
Old Joe has never hidden behind names and he in fact DOES have those chamber prints he refers to. He is merely making sure the truth is out there about all this and that everyone sees AA for what they are. I have three Lothar Walther barrels on the way and they will function all ammo out there. I have run a 22" 6.5CSS barrel for yrs and it shoots great, period.
Rcd567  [Team Member]
12/14/2010 11:01:59 AM
Originally Posted By hondacr21:
Originally Posted By Rcd567:
AlexanderArms was running a special on some of it's Satern barrels earlier this month. Best check with them. I saved close to $140.
Regular price was 660.
Sale price is 520.
They had mine in stock (18").


How ya like your Satern barrel what kinda accuracy you getting? I went to there sight and they still have the 18" for 520$ which is an awesome deal. Kinda wanting a 20" but might consider 18"


It's still sitting in the box. I'm waiting for a Pri-Mount so I can assemble my upper. All the parts are here, just need the mount to hold the upper while I torgue the barrel.

We had a hell of a blizzard here on Saturday and the daytime high has been single digits so I probably won't be doing any accuracey testing for awhile. In the meantime I'm loading up ammo in lots of ten rounds for accuracey testing of different loads.

hondacr21  [Member]
12/14/2010 11:15:02 AM
Whats the rated torque specs for these barrels? What kind of scope and mount are you going to be running?
JFA  [Member]
12/14/2010 12:14:03 PM
Originally Posted By hondacr21:
Whats the rated torque specs for these barrels? What kind of scope and mount are you going to be running?


There's a section here in AR that explains, with pictures, how to assemble an upper and lower. I suggest you read it.
bwaites  [Member]
12/14/2010 7:44:28 PM
This gets SOOOOO tiring.

Since the first Grendel was shipped by Alexander Arms, AA has used the same chamber. That chamber IS the Grendel chamber. Muttt is 100% correct.

CSS (and subsequently Lothar Walther) had a chamber that differed only in the neck, and was often referred to as the "Match" Grendel chamber. It had/has a .295 neck vs the .300 of the chamber used by Alexander Arms. Alexander Arms never marketed that chamber themselves, but CSS was a licensed builder and did use that chamber. In all other aspects the chambers were identical. Both chambers used a compound throat.

Some, but not all, of the CSS chambered barrels had issues with Hornady's initial run of ammunition, and some appear to have issues with the 2nd run as well, but there is some confusion about which ammo is which, and so there may be some overlap to the problem.

The .264 LBC chamber was later developed, and uses conventional throating. It was designed by Les Baer to take advantage of the new Hornady brass and Amax 123. Some, but not all, of the rifles thus chambered have had difficulties with Hornady ammunition. This may be due to several different issues and has been addressed ad nauseum over the past year.

There were certainly multiple drawings of chambers that were used initially as the Grendel was developed, and it is certainly possible that they might be floating around out there.

Irregardless, there is ONLY ONE Grendel chamber, as Muttt points out. It is the only licensed Grendel chamber, it is the chamber used by both Lapua and Hornady to spec their brass and ammo, and the chamber used by Wolf for their ammo.

Finally, there has been at least one report of Alexander Arms chambered rifles which had difficulty with Hornady ammunition. To my knowledge, Alexander Arms offered to investigate and correct that issue, but the reporting individual was a handloader, and didn't feel a need to do so. He succeeded in making Hornady factory ammunition work simply by setting the shoulder back very carefully on the loaded ammunition. Warning, do not try this at home!

So enough.....

There are many good barrel makers. I personally want a Satern, though I had a good Lothar until it went south after about 5000 rounds.


Bill

Mildew  [Team Member]
12/14/2010 8:52:21 PM
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Originally Posted By hondacr21:
It dont state whether or not the barrel ext. has rifle or M4 feed ramps on the Satern barrel from Midway, I assume they have M4 as most seem to have. My receiver I am using has M4 ramps so I might give Midway a call to see it they know.


Do yourself a favor,save lots-o-money,super quality,accuracy and customer service...call Carl @ BHW, they will be making our new 6.5mm P.C.C. wildcat barrels and they will also be doing a group buy w/ the 6X45 barrels as well...They also make the 264 LBC/Grendel barrels w/ M4 barrel extentions...

Tell them Vic and Paul from Alabama sent you...

Good Luck.


http://www.blackholeweaponry.com/store/index.php?cPath=23


I'm planning on ordering their 20" bull barrel with threads and the 3 groove poly rifiling. They reply to emails quickly, their prices are good.
hondacr21  [Member]
12/14/2010 11:01:15 PM
unfortunately now that www.65grendel.com is down at the moment I cant seem to find info on what barrel twists are best all around. Satern barrel is a 1 in 8.75 twist and since I will be shooting factory ammo hopefully Hornady 123gr because it is here locally and if not somewhere around that 120-129gr area and maybe try a 90gr, would that twist be about righ?
JFA  [Member]
12/14/2010 11:42:37 PM
Originally Posted By bwaites:
This gets SOOOOO tiring.

Since the first Grendel was shipped by Alexander Arms, AA has used the same chamber. That chamber IS the Grendel chamber. Muttt is 100% correct.There is proof where the chamber has been changed at least two times. Proof of this , besides the two chamber prints I've discussed in a previous post, is your statement right below this where the CSS chamber only differed in the neck. So if that is true then why doesn't the Hornady ammo fit some CSS chambers? Don't give me that the problem is the neck of the Hornady ammo, because it's the head space dimension of the Hornady ammo that is the problem.

CSS (and subsequently Lothar Walther) had a chamber that differed only in the neck, and was often referred to as the "Match" Grendel chamber. It had/has a .295 neck vs the .300 of the chamber used by Alexander Arms. Alexander Arms never marketed that chamber themselves, but CSS was a licensed builder and did use that chamber. In all other aspects the chambers were identical. Both chambers used a compound throat.It's been said that in the very very early days a few rare Grendels from AA did have a .295 neck

Some, but not all, of the CSS chambered barrels had issues with Hornady's initial run of ammunition, and some appear to have issues with the 2nd run as well, but there is some confusion about which ammo is which, and so there may be some overlap to the problem.

The .264 LBC chamber was later developed, and uses conventional throating. It was designed by Les Baer to take advantage of the new Hornady brass and Amax 123. Some, but not all, of the rifles thus chambered have had difficulties with Hornady ammunition. This may be due to several different issues and has been addressed ad nauseum over the past year.

There were certainly multiple drawings of chambers that were used initially as the Grendel was developed, and it is certainly possible that they might be floating around out there. Here is were you really stick your foot in your mouth because the two prints spoken of are dated most recent, these are not early development drawing as you so claim.

Irregardless, there is ONLY ONE Grendel chamber, as Muttt points out. It is the only licensed Grendel chamber, it is the chamber used by both Lapua and Hornady to spec their brass and ammo, and the chamber used by Wolf for their ammo. And that's why the Hornady ammo is over the maximum head space length specification huh????????????

Finally, there has been at least one report of Alexander Arms chambered rifles which had difficulty with Hornady ammunition. To my knowledge, Alexander Arms offered to investigate and correct that issue, but the reporting individual was a handloader, and didn't feel a need to do so. He succeeded in making Hornady factory ammunition work simply by setting the shoulder back very carefully on the loaded ammunition. Warning, do not try this at home!

So enough.....

There are many good barrel makers. I personally want a Satern, though I had a good Lothar until it went south after about 5000 rounds.


Bill



Muttt  [Member]
12/15/2010 2:33:27 PM
Originally Posted By JFA:
Originally Posted By bwaites:
This gets SOOOOO tiring.

Since the first Grendel was shipped by Alexander Arms, AA has used the same chamber. That chamber IS the Grendel chamber. Muttt is 100% correct.There is proof where the chamber has been changed at least two times. Proof of this , besides the two chamber prints I've discussed in a previous post, is your statement right below this where the CSS chamber only differed in the neck. So if that is true then why doesn't the Hornady ammo fit some CSS chambers? Don't give me that the problem is the neck of the Hornady ammo, because it's the head space dimension of the Hornady ammo that is the problem.

CSS (and subsequently Lothar Walther) had a chamber that differed only in the neck, and was often referred to as the "Match" Grendel chamber. It had/has a .295 neck vs the .300 of the chamber used by Alexander Arms. Alexander Arms never marketed that chamber themselves, but CSS was a licensed builder and did use that chamber. In all other aspects the chambers were identical. Both chambers used a compound throat.It's been said that in the very very early days a few rare Grendels from AA did have a .295 neck

Some, but not all, of the CSS chambered barrels had issues with Hornady's initial run of ammunition, and some appear to have issues with the 2nd run as well, but there is some confusion about which ammo is which, and so there may be some overlap to the problem.

The .264 LBC chamber was later developed, and uses conventional throating. It was designed by Les Baer to take advantage of the new Hornady brass and Amax 123. Some, but not all, of the rifles thus chambered have had difficulties with Hornady ammunition. This may be due to several different issues and has been addressed ad nauseum over the past year.

There were certainly multiple drawings of chambers that were used initially as the Grendel was developed, and it is certainly possible that they might be floating around out there. Here is were you really stick your foot in your mouth because the two prints spoken of are dated most recent, these are not early development drawing as you so claim.

Irregardless, there is ONLY ONE Grendel chamber, as Muttt points out. It is the only licensed Grendel chamber, it is the chamber used by both Lapua and Hornady to spec their brass and ammo, and the chamber used by Wolf for their ammo. And that's why the Hornady ammo is over the maximum head space length specification huh????????????

Finally, there has been at least one report of Alexander Arms chambered rifles which had difficulty with Hornady ammunition. To my knowledge, Alexander Arms offered to investigate and correct that issue, but the reporting individual was a handloader, and didn't feel a need to do so. He succeeded in making Hornady factory ammunition work simply by setting the shoulder back very carefully on the loaded ammunition. Warning, do not try this at home!

So enough.....

There are many good barrel makers. I personally want a Satern, though I had a good Lothar until it went south after about 5000 rounds.


Bill





OLD JOE,

Please stop the BS.

Mutt
pomofo  [Member]
12/15/2010 2:49:45 PM
Originally Posted By hondacr21:
unfortunately now that www.65grendel.com is down at the moment I cant seem to find info on what barrel twists are best all around. Satern barrel is a 1 in 8.75 twist and since I will be shooting factory ammo hopefully Hornady 123gr because it is here locally and if not somewhere around that 120-129gr area and maybe try a 90gr, would that twist be about righ?


You might want to check the bullet stability calculator at www.jbmballistics.com

I've never had problems with the twist in my Tactical 16, but now that I'm looking at building a new upper, the velocities from an 18" barrel will, according to that calculator, stabilize the 123 and 144 Lapua with a 1:8.75 twist, but only marginally stabilize the 108 Lapua and 130 Norma. I would imagine the 123 AMax would be stabilized with an 8.75 twist.
Gunwritr  [Team Member]
12/15/2010 3:34:43 PM
Originally Posted By JFA:
First off CSS are top of the line barrels also. Second don't listen to the BS that CSS didn't use the same chamber as AA did on their Grendel. AA has changed their chamber from the original chamber....two times I've heard. The CSS barrels now chamber everything, meaning the over sized Hornady ammo.

CSS barrels do clean out easy, I can attest to that. They also shoot extremely well. The Satern barrel is a damn good barrel too.

One more option you may look into is that Sabre makea a preimium heavy fluted stainless barrel for the Grendel too. It's not to be confused with their standard Grendel barrel, which I believe has a chrome bore. The preimium barrel doesn't have a chrome bore.


JFA, you are a trolling nuttard who twists the truth and lies to meet his own agenda. Period.
I have published the development of the 6.5mm Grendel cartridge. (perhaps I need to publish it
in additional articles and put it on some of my company's websites....) You are in error and are
being fed falsehoods by others looking to make monetary gain.

Lothar Walther? Here are my thoughts....

a staving cow stake....
JFA  [Member]
12/15/2010 4:18:13 PM
Hi Dave,

Glad to see you are name calling. Funny if I do that I get a pm from a moderator but apparently you have a free pass to do so on AR15.
Real becoming of a so called gun writer.

About the bad barrels you claim you had from LW. What was it, four of them in a row?? Well anyways there is no record of you buying them from LW, so where did you purchase them?

LW's are good barrels, good enough that they are the first barrels AA went with and were fine with them until Bill had a falling out with Arne, and LW.

I suggest you go over to here: http://www.50beowulf.com/bboard/showthread.php?4650-6.5-Grendel-.264-LBC-AR-6.5-BPC-FAQ and read the real true story because son (southern term) you are confused.

Hey who's next from the AA crowd Bill Alexander? Hanka? Reddish? Seems like they are coming and adding to the technical aspect of this thread.
Gunwritr  [Team Member]
12/15/2010 4:27:35 PM
JFA
You are an obvious troll.
You do nothing to add to these technical forums.
You are here for one reason, and that is to troll.

I hope you get the ban hammer.
JFA  [Member]
12/15/2010 4:47:22 PM
Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
JFA
You are an obvious troll.
You do nothing to add to these technical forums.
You are here for one reason, and that is to troll.

I hope you get the ban hammer.


Still sticking to the topic I see Dave.

SYSTEM MESSAGE  
12/15/2010 4:59:34 PM
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