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 AR-15 Ban ... Could it happen again?
mooseknuckle1001  [Member]
3/1/2011 9:03:58 AM
I am new to the AR world but i did not know they were within the past ten years MANY RESTRICTIONS on what you could buy.

from mag limits to the types of equipment that can be on your gun at one time

why did this happen and why was it lifted?

is there a chance it could happen again?
nicholsmf  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 8:45:31 AM
This is a technical discussion area. This is not a technical discussion.
goldeyeslayer  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 8:54:44 AM
In before the move to GD....and yes, there is a chance it could happen again
Old_Painless  [Moderator]
3/1/2011 9:04:08 AM
The AR-15 Technical Forum is for Technical issues.

I will move this to GD for you.

TrojanMan  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 9:07:34 AM
There's a chance Prohibition could happen again, too, and there are plenty of local jurisdictions that seek to make alcohol difficult to obtain, absurdly overtaxed, and/or outright banned. But on a federal level, it probably won't happen.

Similarly, I think a lot of states and local jurisdictions will continue to make "evil firearms" difficult to obtain, absurdly overtaxed, and/or outright banned. But it's probably not going to happen at a federal level.
Milo5  [Member]
3/1/2011 9:08:31 AM
That which is not learned from history is doomed to repeat itself,,,,,
TacticalMOLONLABE  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 9:10:24 AM
Welcome to GD take off your hat and stay awhile!



I know for a fact AR-15s are gonna be banned. My shuttle has been tasked with fire support when the confiscations begin!



DAMN OPSEC!

Anything can happen the anti-gunners try every year for a new AWB has not happened but keep up the pressure!


Mclovin5-0  [Member]
3/1/2011 9:14:22 AM
History repeats itself, but legislation does not. Future attempts at disarmament will come in the forms of major taxation on firearms purchases, crippling regulations of ammunition and bullying of manufacturers.
TheJammer  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 9:15:31 AM
Yeah, we will see many attempts of bans on our EBRs. Personally, I'm more worried about magazine restrictions, as it is more likely to happen IMO.

The '94 AWB expired after a 10-year sunset clause. Bush 43 simply didn't sign to renew the bill.
Demon123  [Member]
3/1/2011 9:18:05 AM
From '94 to '04 there were restrictions on certain cosmetic features. That doesn't mean you couldn't buy an AR type rifle during that period. You simply couldn't have a flash hider, bayonet lug, or a collapsable stock. Standard mags made prior to '94 were still perfectly legal.

The ban wasn't "lifted" there was a 10 year sunset clause and it simply expired.






Milo5  [Member]
3/1/2011 9:23:09 AM
Originally Posted By Demon123:
From '94 to '04 there were restrictions on certain cosmetic features. That doesn't mean you couldn't buy an AR type rifle during that period. You simply couldn't have a flash hider, bayonet lug, or a collapsable stock. Standard mags made prior to '94 were still perfectly legal.

The ban wasn't "lifted" there was a 10 year sunset clause and it simply expired.


And 30 rounders, Labelles and Sanchez new in the wrapper were priced at $30-$50 bucks EACH!
Glock Magazines were bringing $125 brand new, $100 used, other standard cap magazines simply couldn't be purchased at any price, they just weren't available, i.e. Ruger magazines,,,,yeah, thems was the good old days,,,,
VBC  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 9:23:55 AM
Originally Posted By Demon123:
From '94 to '04 there were restrictions on certain cosmetic features. That doesn't mean you couldn't buy an AR type rifle during that period. You simply couldn't have a flash hider, bayonet lug, or a collapsable stock. Standard mags made prior to '94 were still perfectly legal.

The ban wasn't "lifted" there was a 10 year sunset clause and it simply expired.








IIRC ARs with the "evil parts" made before '94 were also legal to purchase during the AWB, much like the "grandfathered" magazines, but due to the AWB, they were stupidly priced. Much like the way the '86 machine gun ban drives the prices of pre-86 made transferrable machine guns through the roof.

I had been a long time gun owner, but never owned an AR before and never really had interest in them, but I sure as hell went out and bought one with all that stuff on it after September 2004.


CBR900  [Member]
3/1/2011 9:25:13 AM
If renewed today, the 1994 AWB would NOT run afoul of either the Heller or the McDonald supreme court decisions. Read both decisions & tell us otherwise (with your detailed conspiracy theory).

In short: yes, it could happen again natione wide.

And yes, versions of the AWB STILL EXIST in states like New York and California, and those laws do not contain any expiration date. So your state could easily be next (some states might be more likely than others e.g., MD? possible. Arizona? unlikely).
BulletBait  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 9:29:00 AM
no


A import ban like the barrel ban Christian Socialist Jorge Bush jammed on us is a real possibility though.
Merrell  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 9:32:00 AM
Powers will always seek to disarm others. It is their nature.

Right now, the left is probably more concerned with regaining power (the House) more so than exercising it.

That being said, Obama may attempt many 'Executive Order Legislations' when he becomes a lame duck.

Barring any major events, restrictions are likely to be incremental in nature.
pukindog  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 9:41:30 AM
Originally Posted By TheJammer:
Yeah, we will see many attempts of bans on our EBRs. Personally, I'm more worried about magazine restrictions, as it is more likely to happen IMO.

The '94 AWB expired after a 10-year sunset clause. Bush 43 simply didn't sign to renew the bill.


Congress never passed a bill for Bush to sign.

tc556guy  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 9:44:57 AM
Originally Posted By CBR900:
And yes, versions of the AWB STILL EXIST in states like New York and California, and those laws do not contain any expiration date.


I still run into NYS residents, some of them LEOs, who have no idea that NYS still has a state assault weapons ban.

It just goes to explain how the antis get away with their claims, when people don't realize what laws are already on the books.
TheJammer  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 9:47:19 AM
Originally Posted By pukindog:
Originally Posted By TheJammer:
Yeah, we will see many attempts of bans on our EBRs. Personally, I'm more worried about magazine restrictions, as it is more likely to happen IMO.

The '94 AWB expired after a 10-year sunset clause. Bush 43 simply didn't sign to renew the bill.


Congress never passed a bill for Bush to sign.



Ahh my mistake. You are correct.
WIZZO_ARAKM14  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 9:58:48 AM
They're just a pen-stroke away. It just depends on who's holding the pen.

Won't have much of a chance unless the Dumbocrats get super majorities in the House amd Senate with our Failure in Chief at the helm. Hopefully, that won't happen.

Gun rights might be on a roll in many states, but we're by no means safe from having more rights taken from us from the mongrels in D.C.

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Dhampir  [Member]
3/1/2011 10:07:44 AM
Don't get complacent, it can very well can happen again.
flyfishnepa  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 10:23:16 AM

Originally Posted By mooseknuckle1001:


Chaingun  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 10:27:22 AM
We are on a conservative trend for the next 8 years, just wait for the dums to take over again.
dex357  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 10:34:33 AM
Originally Posted By TheJammer:
Yeah, we will see many attempts of bans on our EBRs. Personally, I'm more worried about magazine restrictions, as it is more likely to happen IMO.

The '94 AWB expired after a 10-year sunset clause. Bush 43 simply didn't sign to renew the bill.


They didn't send it to him. I think he just might have signed it.

It all depends if Dick Cheney was up to knocking him out that day.
scottedward58  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 10:40:17 AM
Originally Posted By Chaingun:
We are on a conservative trend for the next 8 years, just wait for the dums to take over again.


The next time the Dems get power I expect another ban. If it wasn't for Reid I think we would have some form of ban now, probably a magazine ban and the scary thing is that they will never make the mistake of putting a sunset in another ban so it will be permanent.
ChadG  [Member]
3/1/2011 10:41:08 AM
oh geez another one of these threads

this horse has been beatin already...buried...dug up...beatin some more and the cycle continues....
Joe_Pennsy  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 10:42:48 AM

Originally Posted By mooseknuckle1001:
I am new to the AR world but i did not know they were within the past ten years MANY RESTRICTIONS on what you could buy.

from mag limits to the types of equipment that can be on your gun at one time

why did this happen and why was it lifted?

is there a chance it could happen again?

Why did this happen? Democrats. Democrats in the 80's and 90's were trying to ban everything: Ugly guns, small guns, plastic guns, magazines down to 6 rounds, ammunition, etc. They wanted background checks and extensive waiting periods and came up with punitive tax schemes. They already had house and senate majorities under Reagan and Bush- Clinton gave them the signature they needed and they passed the Brady Bill and the 1994 Crime Bill.

Why was it lifted? There was a 10 year sunset clause inserted into the bill. Allegedly, the bill would not have originally passed without it.

is there a chance it could happen again? Yes. If Tucson happened 6 months prior, the Democrat party could have easily rammed AWB2.0 through congress and had the TOTUS sign it.
Lon_Moer  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 10:49:51 AM
I don't see it happening again, probably some attempts at magazines and maybe 'evil features', not not an outright ban. The AR has become the most common civilian owned rifle to the point that there are more AR's in private hands than all other rifles combined.
So, in addition to the Supreme Court decisions, there is a massive logistics issue.
Joe_Pennsy  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 10:52:47 AM

Originally Posted By ChadG:
oh geez another one of these threads

this horse has been beatin already...buried...dug up...beatin some more and the cycle continues....

We felt the same way back in the late 1980's and early 1990's.
CBR900  [Member]
3/1/2011 11:01:40 AM
Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:

Originally Posted By ChadG:
oh geez another one of these threads

this horse has been beatin already...buried...dug up...beatin some more and the cycle continues....

We felt the same way back in the late 1980's and early 1990's.


Agreed.

ChadG - nice that you live in Arizona. Why don't you try living in Ney York, California, or Washington D.C. for while & report back how it goes.

There is still a major battle going on at the state level for gun control.

fla556guy  [Member]
3/1/2011 11:07:23 AM
They could also make owning kazoos illegal.

Gun control is a dead issue for the moment, I think (on a federal level).

There is much work to be done in some states though.

cyrus-the-virus  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 11:09:00 AM
Originally Posted By TheJammer:
Yeah, we will see many attempts of bans on our EBRs. Personally, I'm more worried about magazine restrictions, as it is more likely to happen IMO.

The '94 AWB expired after a 10-year sunset clause. Bush 43 simply didn't sign to renew the bill.


IIRC it didn't even make it to bush, congress just didn't vote on it.

IIRC Bush jr. said he would sign it if landed on his desk.
BushBoar  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 11:09:34 AM

Originally Posted By TheJammer:
Yeah, we will see many attempts of bans on our EBRs. Personally, I'm more worried about magazine restrictions, as it is more likely to happen IMO.

The '94 AWB expired after a 10-year sunset clause. Bush 43 simply didn't sign to renew the bill.

Didn't sign?

It wasn't even presented to him for signature.
BulletBait  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 11:10:31 AM
Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:

Originally Posted By ChadG:
oh geez another one of these threads

this horse has been beatin already...buried...dug up...beatin some more and the cycle continues....

We felt the same way back in the late 1980's and early 1990's.


Agreed.

ChadG - nice that you live in Arizona. Why don't you try living in Ney York, California, or Washington D.C. for while & report back how it goes.

There is still a major battle going on at the state level for gun control.



And that's why I moved out of enemy territory.

The only cure for the average American's tolerance for Liberalism is to let the liberals run the show for a while.
Badlatitude  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 11:11:13 AM
Our state is trying to ban anything over 10 rounds with NO GRANDFATHER CLAUSE. This communist shit has to stop. If it passes it will be a class D felony. uuuggghhhh

http://cga.ct.gov/2011/TOB/S/2011SB-01094-R00-SB.htm
novaDAK  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 11:18:04 AM

Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:
If Tucson happened 6 months prior, the Democrat party could have easily rammed AWB2.0 through congress and had the TOTUS sign it.

If it happened even ONE month prior it may have.
dcs12345  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 12:20:02 PM
Originally Posted By dex357:
Originally Posted By TheJammer:
Yeah, we will see many attempts of bans on our EBRs. Personally, I'm more worried about magazine restrictions, as it is more likely to happen IMO.

The '94 AWB expired after a 10-year sunset clause. Bush 43 simply didn't sign to renew the bill.


They didn't send it to him. I think he just might have signed it.

It all depends if Dick Cheney was up to knocking him out that day.


Have you read G.W.'s book? It seems that just about every choice W. made that I disagreed with, ol'Cheney adviced him to otherwise.

alc1343  [Team Member]
3/1/2011 1:37:16 PM
I think there is a good chance that before this decade is up, we'll see some kind of new AWB signed into law.

There are too many moderates in this country who think that "sensible restrictions" on "assault weapons" and "high-capacity" magazines is perfectly okay.

I use quotes because all 3 terms are utter bullshit.

I think we're good through 2012, but if Obama is re-elected, he'll go for broke. If he is re-elected and gets both Houses in either '12 or '14, we will have a Communist onslaught not seen since Russia 1917.

The next 5.5 years could shape the future of this country for decades to come...
CBR900  [Member]
3/1/2011 1:50:43 PM
Here is one STATE example of the AWB returning - piece-by-piece. (link is recent too).

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1156725